{"id":477,"date":"2009-02-04T11:04:37","date_gmt":"2009-02-04T11:04:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lofigames.com\/?p=477"},"modified":"2014-09-18T11:50:53","modified_gmt":"2014-09-18T11:50:53","slug":"loading-saving-and-fear-of-death","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lofigames.com\/ja\/loading-saving-and-fear-of-death\/","title":{"rendered":"Loading, Saving And Fear Of Death"},"content":{"rendered":"

Every game designer worth his salt has pondered this question at some time: \u201cShould a player be able to save and re-load a game whenever he wants<\/em>?\u201d. They ask this because they want to instill a fear of death into the game play.<\/p>\n

They always come to the same conclusion: That its the best way compared to forcing players to replay the same bit again and again, which is just frustrating. A few games have tried to restrict saving in various ways, but none of them have really worked, they just result in frustration.<\/p>\n

Characters cannot die in games<\/em>. Sure they can\u00a0die,\u00a0but the player will reload and try again until they don\u2019t die. Imagine if we could save and re-load in real life – It would be a superpower, you could achieve anything you wanted to. In games it is no different, it is also a superpower. Saving in games eliminates the fear, tension and emotion.<\/p>\n

In real life, yobbos and trouble makers only fight when they have a distinct advantage, because for most humans a one on one fight is scary. \u201cWhat if I loose?<\/em>\u201d. Yet in a game you know you just saved so you don\u2019t have any \u201cWhat if what if what if?\u201d. Even equal odds are scary when there is so much at stake.<\/p>\n

So why is it bad to take out the save\/load ability? Because you loose your progress, all your hard work. You are robbed. Its just not fun, its frustrating, the player will give up and never play it again.<\/p>\n

So ask yourself this question: How do we get by in real life without saves or extra-lives? hmm?<\/strong><\/p>\n

1 – Dying doesn\u2019t happen that often, actually, it can be quite hard to die.
\n2 – People look after their lives. Nobody wants to die.
\n3 – If faced with a dangerous task, one would proceed cautiously and plan with care. They would formulate backup plans and escape routes should things go wrong.<\/p>\n

SO.<\/strong><\/h5>\n

1 – Characters in games are both too tough and too fragile.<\/strong> A bullet does not hurt a character, it shaves off a small percentage of hit points, and they do not feel or express pain, so they don\u2019t fear the bullets. They run around like chickens trying to put more bullets into the enemy first. They are not encumbered by injury, then suddenly their hitpoints cross the 0 line and they drop dead. I\u2019m talking about players as well as AI\u2019s.\u00a0Games need a proper medical system, something more realistic that blurs the lines between life and death.<\/em><\/p>\n

2 – Enemy AI characters don\u2019t have enough fear of death.<\/strong> War is terrifying, an army or opponent that does not fear death is formidable. I know AI\u2019s use cover and stuff nowadays, but they need to be a little less aggressive, more careful.\u00a0The enemy has to fear death as much as the player-who-cannot-save. The game will turn more into a game of chess and tactics than a click-reaction test.\u00a0 The tension rises, the sweat breaks out.<\/em><\/p>\n

3 – The player needs to re-learn game-playing.<\/strong> Its essential that the designer teaches the player the line between life and death, but without dying. This is difficult and again it comes back to the medical system. When a character comes close to death it must be made clear how close it was. As long as they player does not do anything stupid it should be possible to play the game through with no deaths. Its a fine line to walk, but a lot can be done. In any situation it should be\u00a0possible\u00a0to save 99.9% of lives, but the player must somehow pay for it in return – Time and money cost, expensive doctors, effort and travel distance, slowing yourself down carrying them, character recovery time\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

4 – The game needs to be well balanced, a character must never die unless it is the players fault.<\/strong> If he dies because the character wouldn\u2019t respond to his orders, or took a stupidly dangerous pathfinding route, then it is the game\u2019s fault that he died, and this cannot be allowed if we have taken away saving.<\/p>\n

So there you have my theories on the subject. I intend to use this method in Kenshi, but probably only as an option when you start a game. The trouble is when you offer the alternative of saving\/loading, then players will stick to their old ways and you no longer have the effect of number 3, above, so much thinking on this matter is still to come.<\/p>\n

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As this article has been transferred from the old blog the comments were lost, so I will quote some of them here as some good points were made:<\/strong><\/p>\n

3. Snaga replies at 22nd July 2008 um 11:47 pm : <\/em><\/p>\n

<\/i> Sorry for commenting about this so late. I just want to point out something that you probably have thought about, but I think you didn\u2019t point it out specifically. Many games force you to kill absurd amounts of enemies. A good example I think would be STALKER, because the killing destroys both the immersion and gameplay. Sadly game developers tend to concentrate solely on combat in games, thus there will be absurd expectations of the player. As a counter the player must be super-human. This really is a pity. In some multiplayer games, you actually feel proud when killing someone. <\/em><\/i><\/div>\n

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This is a good point, I also don\u2019t like being superhuman in every game I play. It gets old and this is what marks the major difference between single and multiplayer games.<\/p>\n

I think RPG type leveling is a good solution for this (when done right, which it rarely is) because you start off weaker than average, and then you EARN your super human abilities.\u00a0<\/div>

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Paul D\u00a0replies at 20th August 2008 um 9:29 am :<\/em><\/p>\n

<\/i> Interesting topic, you make some really good points. The problem is also that we are comparing the fact that we don\u2019t die often here in real life, as opposed to a game where potentially everyone is constantly fighting, and everyone is running around baring lethal weapons. So surely in a world like that, as a player you almost expect your character to die fairly soon.<\/em><\/p>\n

To add to the discussion, I really like the feature in the Prince of Persia series where you rewind time following a death\/just before death \u2013 now even though its far-fetched, its still more believable than hitting that quick load key, and its both fun and keeps you immersed in the game.<\/p>\n

A related point of discussion is the death of actual n.p.c\u2019s \u2013 I find it very annoying when a game character dies (in combat, or accident) but is then resurrected as if nothing happened, so that the story may continue. Okay, admittedly this is rare, but it happens and little breaks the immersion more.<\/p>\n

Look at Mass Effect. Not only can your group buddies return from the grave after being blown up, its actually a feature of the game, whereby one of your upgradeable skills is the ability to quickly resurrect your AI side kicks. I really hate that, but you know what? It\u2019s completely necessary, because they are terrible in battle and have no idea how to effectively use cover. For me, it\u2019s just shining a spot light on the flawed AI.<\/p>\n

To be fair to Mass Effect, I don\u2019t think I have ever seen a really intelligent \u2018partner\u2019 AI. Who hasn\u2019t shouted \u201cDon\u2019t go there, stupid! Stay behind me!\u201d or \u201cShoot back at them, don\u2019t just sit there!\u201d I don\u2019t know; it must be easier to code plain old enemy bots rather than something that has the additional task of being aware of you and even protecting you as well as themselves. <\/i><\/div><\/p>\n

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Even in a dangerous game world or a war, you can survive better by working closely as a team and being cautious. When you have no fear of dying, you will just charge straight in, get killed, then try the same again because now you know where the enemies are.<\/p>\n

I hate resurrection too. That’s why I\u2019m going for a decent medical system instead. When a character goes down they are usually not dead yet and you have a chance to save them.\u00a0 At the same time this also adds an extra tactical element to the gameplay, especially during retreats when you have to decide whether to carry your wounded or leave them.<\/p>\n

I think the field of AI is more advanced than you think, just that a lot of developers have tight budgets and can\u2019t always add everything they want.<\/div>

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